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Hello

after a careful reading of different Nordic sagas I realize that ancient gods of Asgard would be a race of alien. The evidence can't be neglected. I firstly exposed this theory on an article written on Legendary Times, but now i want to add a new probable proof. If Thor, Norse god of thunder, can control bolts and lightnings and other weather phenomena with his hammer Mjolnir, probably he could control electromagnetic forces. But also optical laws (lights, flashes etc) and gravitation laws, in fact his hammer returned in his hand anytime he threw it. Moreover it could fly, never missed the target, and was unbreakable, in fact it could destroy a mountain. Now, excluding the fantastic part of the legend, what marvelous civilization could have created a so magnificient, powerful and dangerous weapon? It can control nearly all the forces of nature and physics, so it probaly "unified" them (nowadays scientists are trying to discover GUT= Grand Unification Theory), if we exclude the nuclear forces, despite I would say they are in a certain way linked indirectly...
What would you think of that? Your opinion could help me to make other links and references!

Yes I'd agree that the norse sagas contain elements of alien history. Not only that but they also contain allegories as to the capabilities that we have and are still not developed.

See my post for a brief outline in "How many times..." thread.

And here's a story from The Heroes of Asgard to chew on:

The Heroes of Asgard by A.E Kerry
BIFROST, URDA, AND THE NORNS
ODIN departed from Heimdall, and went on his way, Fenrir obediently following, though not now much noticed by his captor, who pondered over the new wonders of which he had heard. "Bifröst, Urda, and the Norns-what can they mean?"
Thus pondering and wondering he went, ascended Asgard's Hill, walked through the golden gates of the City into the palace of Gladsheim, and into the hall Valhalla, where, just then, the Æsir and Asyniur were assembled at their evening meal. Odin sat down to the table without speaking, and, still absent and meditative, proceeded to carve the great boar, Sæhrimnir, which every evening eaten, was every morning whole again. No one thought of disturbing him by asking any questions, for they saw that something was on his mind, and the Æsir were well-bred. It is probable, therefore, that the supper would have been concluded in perfect silence if Fenrir had not poked his nose in at the doorway, just opposite to the seat of the lovely Freyja. She, genius of beauty as she was, and who had never in her whole life seen even the shadow of a wolf, covered her face with her hands, and screamed a little, which caused all the Æsir to start and turn round, in order to see what was the matter. But Odin directed a reproving glance at the ill-mannered Fenrir, and then gave orders that the wolf should be fed; "after which," concluded he, "I will relate my adventures to the assembled Æsir."
"That is all very well, Asa Odin," answered Frey; "but who, let me ask, is to undertake the office of feeding yon hideous and unmannerly animal?"
"That will I, joyfully," cried Tyr, who liked nothing better than an adventure; and then, seizing a plate of meat from the table, he ran out of the hall, followed by Fenrir, who howled, and sniffed, and jumped up at him in a most impatient, un-Æsir-like manner.
After the wolf was gone Freyja looked up again, and when Tyr was seated once more, Odin began. He told them of everything that he had seen, and done, and suffered; and, at last, of Heimdall, that strange white Van, who sat upon the heavenly hills, and spoke of Bifröst, and Urda, and the Norns. The Æsir were very silent whilst Odin spoke to them, and were deeply and strangely moved by this conclusion to his discourse.
"The Norns," repeated Frigga, "the Fountain of Urd, the golden threads of time! Let us go, my children," she said, rising from the table, "let us go and look at these things."
But Odin advised that they should wait until the next day, as the journey to Bifrost and back again could easily be accomplished in a single morning.
Accordingly, the next day the Æsir and Asyniur all rose with the sun, and prepared to set forth. Niörd came from Noatun, the mild sea-coast, which he had made his home, and with continual gentle puffings out of his wide, breezy mouth, he made their journey to Bifröst so easy and pleasant, that they all felt a little sorry when they caught the first glitter of Heimdall's golden teeth. But Heimdall was glad to see them; glad, at least, for their sakes. He thought it would be so good for them to go and see the Norns. As far as he himself was concerned he never felt dull alone. On the top of those bright hills how many meditations he had! Looking far and wide over the earth how much he saw and heard!
"Come already!" said Heimdall to the Æsir, stretching out his long, white hands to welcome them; "come already! Ah! this is Niörd's doing. How do you do, cousin," said he; for Niörd and Heimdall were related.
"How sweet and fresh it is up here!" remarked Frigga, looking all round, and feeling that it would be polite to say something. "You are very happy, Sir," continued she, "in having always such fine scenery about you, and in being the guardian of such a bridge."
And in truth Frigga might well say "such a bridge;" for the like of it was never seen on the ground. Trembling and glittering it swung across the sky, up from the top of the mountain to the clouds, and down again into the distant sea.
"Bifrost! Bifrost!" exclaimed the Æsir, wonderingly; and Heimdall was pleased at their surprise.
"At the arch's highest point," said he, pointing upward, "rises that fountain of which I spoke. Do you wish to see it to-day?"
"That do we, indeed," cried all the Æsir in a breath. "Quick, Heimdall, and unlock the bridge's golden gate."
Then Heimdall took all his keys out, and fitted them into the diamond lock till he found the right one, and the gate flew open with a sound at the same time sad and cheerful, like the dripping of leaves after a thunder-shower,
The Æsir pressed in; but, as they passed him, Heimdall laid his hand upon Thor's shoulder, and said "I am very sorry, Thor; but it cannot be helped. You must go to the fountain alone by another way; for you are so strong and heavy, that if you were to put your foot on Bifröst, either it would tremble in pieces beneath your weight, or take fire from the friction of your iron heels. Yonder, however, are two river-clouds, called Körmt and Ermt, through which you can wade to the Sacred Urd, and you will assuredly reach it in time, though the waters of the clouds are strong and deep."
At the words of Heimdall Thor fell back from the bridge's head, vexed and sorrowful. "Am I to be sent away, then, and have to do disagreeable things," said he, "just because I am so strong? After all, what are Urda and the Norns to me, and Körmt and Ermt? I will go back to Asgard again."
"Nay, Thor," said Odin, "I pray you, do not anything so foolish. Think again, I beseech you, what it is that we are going to see and hear. Körmt and Ermt lie before you, as Bifröst before us. It is yonder, above both, that we go. Neither can it much matter, Thor, whether we reach the Fountain of Urd over Bifröst or through the cloud."
Then Thor blushed with shame at his own weakness, which had made him regret his strength; and, without any more grumbling or hanging back, he plunged into the dreadful river-clouds, whose dark vapours closed around him and covered him. He was hidden from sight, and the Æsir went on their way over the glittering bridge.
Daintily and airily they trod over it; they swung themselves up the swinging arch; they reached its summit on a pale, bright cloud. Thor was there already waiting for them, drenched and weary, but cheerful and bold. Then, all together, they knocked at the door of the pale, bright cloud; it blew open, and they passed in. Oh! then what did they see! Looking up to an infinite height through the purple air, they saw towering above them Yggdrasil's fairest branches, leafy and of a tender green, which also stretched far and wide; but, though they looked long, the Æsir could distinguish no topmost bough, and it almost seemed to them that, from somewhere up above, this mighty earth-tree must draw another root, so firmly and so tall it grew. On one side stood the Palace of the Norns, which was so bright that it almost blinded them to look at it, and on the other the Urda fountain plashed its cool waters—rising, falling, glittering, as nothing ever glitters on this side the clouds. Two ancient swans swam under the fount, and around it sat Three. Ah! how shall I describe them—Urd, Verdandi, Skuld. They were mighty, they were wilful, and one was veiled. Sitting upon the Doomstead, they watched the water as it rose and fell, and passed golden threads from one to another. Verdandi plucked them with busy fingers from Skuld's reluctant hand, and wove them in and out quickly, almost carelessly; for some she tore and blemished, and some she cruelly spoiled. Then Urd took the woof away from her, smoothed its rough places, and covered up some of the torn, gaping holes; but she hid away many of the bright parts, too, and then rolled it all round her great roller, Oblivion, which grew thicker and heavier every moment. And so they went on, Verdandi drawing from Skuld, and Urd from Verdandi; but whence Skuld drew her separate bright threads no one could see. She never seemed to reach the end of them, and neither of the sisters ever stopped or grew weary of her work.
The Æsir stood apart watching, and it was a great sight. They looked in the face of Urd, and fed on wisdom; they studied the countenance of Verdandi, and drank bitter strength; they glanced through the veil of Skuld, and tasted hope. At length, with full hearts, they stole away silently, one by one, out by the pale, open door, re-crossed the bridge, and stood once more by the side of Heimdall on the heavenly hills; then they went home again. Nobody spoke as they went; but ever afterwards it was an understood thing that the Æsir should fare to the Doomstead of the Nornir once in every day.

Greg
Raven shaman

Are you really a shaman? it seems interesting; as I've heard many times about Odinism and other modern pagan religions. Well the text you showed me is very interesting. One of the most important reason is that the presence of this kind of myths and the various links with other mythologies or even modern religions are clear signs that in a way or in another aliens visited us in ancient time when mankind still lived in a very mixed culture (probably it's only because different people were geographically closer) and by the time with the drift of the continents and different populations' movements on the Earth, this stories became part of each national cultural heritages. As nearly all the populations in Europe came from Asia, it's clear how effective could it be the influence of Eastern religions on Western cultures (see the link between Northern mythology and Hindu gods). in the end it was the Indo-European civilizations which conquered the new land. Other similarities I found between religions and myths are the costant presence of chariots (flying chariots) that could be thought as alien flying vehicles: Apollo 's chariot, Pluto's chariot, Jupiter's chariot, Mars's chariot, Thor's chariot, Odin's chariot, Balder's chariot and so on. Or the similarity between the killing of Balder and Osiris  or between Jormungand, the serpent of Midgard, and Quetzarcoatl. Indeed if someone had visited us , the whole ancient humanity would have been conscious of this. probably the different legends are the result of different aspects of the same event seen from different points of view

Hi andrib,
why do you think these "gods" weren't humans with better technology than most others on Earth during that time of "stone age"? What speaks against humans from another planet in our solar system or from a space station visiting more primitive people on Earth? Please don't concentrate about the question where these humans came from as the same question can be asked for aliens.

Yes, indeed you could be right, but thinking so, you would only shift the point of the problem: who were they given this superior technology? Think about this. And how could they have developed beside our mankind?

Hm hm...

Take a look at the Egyptians or the Sumerian culture. They were far ahead of the people in Northern Europe, West Europe, America, Asia, Australia and Africa.

Even today America / West Europe / Japan are far ahead of Africa, Indonesia, South America.

Something else;

in only a few hundred years we developed everything from steam engines to electrics to nucleair power. From trains to cars to airplanes to space shuttles.
Only a few hundred years!

An ancient culture could easily have been fár more advanced than the rest of the world and develop technology while the rest of the world was still living in caves making rock art.

I support Ancient Astronauts way more than the idea of an earlier Earthly civilization, but for other reasons than what you said

They could've developed everything on their own, without been given anything.

yes Maybe you are right because I think that people have never realised the real level of human possibilities. But on the other hand your example of the development from steam engines to nuclear power is not alway true because skills and technologies evolution is not something constant. In fact not always human abilities can determine a new invention or an improvement, because this depends also on the situations, the historical an social background and many other conditions.For example, from chariots to cars it took more than 4000 years, instead from cars to airplanes the distance was shorter. I agree with you in considering the Egyptian and Sumerian populations more advanced than the other. It's incredible how Egypt from a simple rural society became one of the greatest power of the Mediterranean Sea in a few time. The same is fos Middle-East ancient civilizations. So think what were or could have been the conditions that favoured their development.

(I deleted one of your posts because you double posted)

"From chariots to cars it took 4000 years"

Yes, but that is not a valid argument because during the Middle Ages development completely stopped.

The historical background of the modern inventions were the "Dark Ages" (Middle Ages) during which mankind produced virtually nothing (apart from Roger Bacon perhaps). All modern technology has been invented in only a few hundred years, while Homo Sapiens has been around for thousands and thousands of years.

A real shame we didn't start inventing earlier...(or did we?)

yes considering the entire lenght of our history there are many periods were men wasted their time doing nothing or battling themselves etc... This didn't help evolution but it doesn't mean that there weren't intelligent and clever people, that probably in another background would have emerged as genius. But this is another question...

Intensity schrieb:

Which would be?