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What light? The universe was not transparent untill 300.000 years after the Big Bang.

The first stars did not even exist before 100 million (1.000.000 years!) after the Big Bang.

What light?

Okay, it took at least 100 million years before stars existed and lighted up the universe so not untill then did the expansion 'divide light from the darkness'.

In this sense Cicero's De Republica is actually the same as William Shakespeares' Romeo and Juliet only it should be interpreted differently.

You do realise that Genesis got it all wrong right?

wiki.cotch.net 

And you do know that Genesis 1 and 2 are contradicting eachother?

www.skepticsannotatedbible.co m 

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the Earth" is what Genesis 1 says, may just as well be meant simultaneously.
Interesting is that God created the Earth before the Sun according to Genesis while we know it's the other way around.

Why would it imply Earth to be one of the last? It says nothing about the other planets and nothing about all of the planets orbiting other stars (120+ known right now) plus there are still planets being born all over the universe.

First time I'd say there is a remote possibility. Wish they told us more about the way planets form or the four forces of nature which divided after the Big Bang or where heavy elements (i.e. Oxygen, Carbon) come from etc.
Of course the Earth being without form is something we see in many cultures. A tiny bit of credit.

That credit is of course quickly lost when the bible then says that Earth was in deep darkness. Appearantly the Earth existed before God created light (verse 3), God is already on Earth in verse 2!
The elements that build the Earth are made through fusion in the midst of stars, so there were billions and billions of stars before the Earth ever existed. Next to that the sun already existed before the Earth...

According to the bible God created light in verse 3 on day 1 and the Sun in verse 16 (along with the moon and all other stars) on day 4.

Our sun is only an average star in an average galaxy in an ordinary supercluster. We are at just a tiny corner of the infinite universe. Why does the bible say 'and he made the stars also', trillions of stars...

The water was good, the warmth of the Earth was good, the lack of oxygen was good, the atmosphere was good, the carbon was very good...they could've mentioned thousands of things important for life as we know it.

Next to that any human sees light as good and darkness as bad, people are naturally afraid of the dark and happy in the sunlight. Nothing spectacular here...

I don't read anything new about the darkness apart from the earlier mentioned seperation (which even vegetables can recognize...).

Uhm...didn't people have days and nights 3000 years ago? I'm pretty sure the Earth has been rotating on it's axis for about 4 billion years and I'm also véry sure that there's nothing in the bible about the Earth being a sphere or moving at all. Why would the darkness imply that?

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Ancient man got the order of events wrong and clearly seems to think that the Earth is the center of the universe, existed before the stars did.

Genesis is full of flaws, contradicts itself and just does not match science.

Hi Stefan.
It's good to hear from you again. I enjoyed reading your explanation which was very enlightning as I didn't realise the serious errors in Gods creation and I do appreciate you pointing out and explaining them.
The forum is in my opinion a worthy testing sound board for ideas and exchanging differing points and our little debate has demonstrated such rewards that can come posting ideas - even if I did get it wrong.

Many thanks.
Ron Edwards.

Cool

Let's not forget there is a lot of incredible knowledge in many other ancient documents, personally I am especially intrigued by the Sanskrit  texts such from the Mahabharata etc.

Hi Stefan.
Did you mention the Mababbarata ? What a coincidence, I'm currently reading a book which briefly introduces the ancient book in question - Life Out There, the truth of, and search for Extraterrestrial life, by Michael White.

It would seem that the ancient Hindu / Jainism faith painted some weird and wonderful colourful stories of a war in which weapons of mass destruction appear to resemble our Atom nuclear type weapons.

' A blazing missile possessed of the radiance of smokeless fire was discharged.
A thick gloom suddenly encompassed the host. All points of the compass were suddenly enveloped in darkness. Evil bearing winds began to blow. Clouds reared into the higher air, showing blood.
The very elements seemed confused. The sun appeared to spin round.
The world, scorched by the heat of that weapon, seemed to be in a fever.
Elephants scorched by the energy of that weapon ran in terror, seeking protection from it's terrible force. The very water being heated, the creatures who lived in the water seemed to burn.'

This is an awesome weapon, called the 'Agneya Weapon,' and captured within the myths and legends must have been told by the survivors who then passed the description of it's power to the following generations.
In addition, the description depicts for enthisiasts the possibility that extraterrestrials were flying about in 'Virmanas' whilst warring amonst themselves.

The author isn't so sure, he foresees that the description could well be nothing more than a natural phenomenon such as a volcanic eruption and presents that, 'clouds reared into the higher air' as being the volcanic flume rather an an Atom mushroom cloud.

Allegedly, what we have hear is a story that has been told and retold by numerous interpretors until it looks more like what we wanted it to look like for our own ends ?

For and against, never shall the twain meet.
Ron Edwards - Seti Seeker.

Markus Pezold collected an abundance of original quotes from the Mahabharata on this very "atomic bomb paragraph". I guess he is reading this forum, too, so maybe you can give a link to your article, Markus?

My own interpretation of one section from the Mahabharata you can read here:
mars-news.de 

Some other interesting sections:
mars-news.de 
For the original text, forget the scans on my page, go to John B. Hare's
full text online Mahabharata: www.sacred-texts.com 

You can also find some interesting information here;

www.homepages.hetnet.nl 

Here are a few quotes :

I did not copy them from any of Dänikens' books (though they are similar) but directly from an online translation of the Mahabharata from Sacred-Texts.com
The translation dates back to the 19th century before even airplanes were known, the Mahabharata itself has been written down since at least 400 b.C.

Topic was big bang...
here u can listen to it (RealPlayer needed):
www.spiegel.de 
www.spiegel.de 

Information here (only in german):
www.spiegel.de 

Thomas Mc Kie